Posts tagged religion
Posts tagged religion
“Joan of Arc” by Sir John Everett Millais, 1865, oil on canvas
This is beautiful, but I wish somebody had painted her not with the big, innocent eyes and innocent face of a sacred virgin, compromising her armour with a skirt; but all sweaty from battle, face red, her hair cut short, wearing the masculine garb she actually wore, looking determined and tired but triumphant. Now that would be proper representation of Joan. Too bad this was 1865 and a bit before proper women’s lib and the rise of secularism.
While I understand the desire for a historically accurate image of Joan, I don’t think it’s fair to say that this painting suffers as a result of its spiritual and romanticized elements. Regardless of a viewer’s personal opinion re: religion or Christianity specifically, it’s important to remember that at its core, the story of Joan of Arc is the story of a girl who genuinely believed she heard the voice of God. Saying that the only proper representation of Joan would be one that was created after “the rise of secularism” is ridiculous. An artist can bring a different aspect of her life to the forefront, of course, she doesn’t always need to be a religious figure, but focusing on her sainthood and relationship with the divine isn’t doing her a disservice.
(Also I’m not going to argue for a second that 19th century painting was a bastion of equality when it came to representations of women, but to be fair, Millais was one of the founders of the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood, a group of guys who weren’t exactly known for depicting the sweat and blood of battle. You’d be hard pressed to find a dashing knight any less spotless than Joan is here. This painting is a result of its movement, not a time capsule preserving the work of a less enlightened people.)
Also gonna go right on ahead and point out that Joan of Arc’s awesomeness isn’t contingent on the masculinity of her portrayal, and that this is a sexist notion in and of itself. This is as much a “proper” representation of Joan as an in-the-heat-of-battle image would be.
The skirt and long hair are… disrespectful, though. Since Joan herself, during her imprisonment, refused to give up the men’s clothing she believed God had ordered her to wear, until she was forced to wear a dress or go naked.
I wouldn’t saying portraying Joan in a skirt is by itself disrespectful - an Imprisoned Joan (near the end of her life) or Shepherdess Joan (before she went to war) would have a skirt and possibly longer hair - but putting a skirt and long hair on a fully-armored Warrior Joan is disrespectful, an erasure of the way she presented herself.
(I would point out to those who take issue with the Pre-Raphaelite spotlessness of the lady, though, that this seems to be a praying-before-battle situation in which a male knight would be equally spotless, and rightfully so.)
“You’re depressed because you don’t have God in your life”
i treat my body like a temple but i’m a 16th century calvinist
“I haven’t read Harry Potter, I have read Pullman who is the other leading children’s author that one might mention and I love his books. I don’t know what to think about magic and fairy tales.”
Prof Dawkins said he wanted to look at the effects of “bringing children up to believe in spells and wizards”.
“I think it is anti-scientific – whether that has a pernicious effect, I don’t know,” he told More4 News.
“I think looking back to my own childhood, the fact that so many of the stories I read allowed the possibility of frogs turning into princes, whether that has a sort of insidious affect on rationality, I’m not sure. Perhaps it’s something for research.”
do you ever laugh so hard you die
Oh Richard Dawkins, you never fail to amaze me in the worst way possible
oh jesus effing christ
dawkins how are you even
Are. You. Fucking. Serious?! REALLY BRO?!
You know, I have to wonder if he even sees that he’s now parroting what the religious right says. “Harry Potter is damaging to young minds!” My dear sweet gawd, this dude is such a fucking jackass.
Pro-tip, Dawkins: If a parent wants to read their kid HP books, I’M PRETTY FUCKIN’ SURE THEY’RE GONNA TELL THE CHILD IT’S FUCKING FICTION.
But daaad, magick and science are meant to be friends!
I don’t what…
cityofroses91 submitted: “Just to clarify, this kid is 100% serious.”
Stupid publicly funded schools, teaching the arts and sciences instead of one religion! It’s not like there’s a book where you can read all about Jesus or anything.
So we’ve all seen those topic trends over the year, the conversations that seem to appear out of no where and then be beaten into the ground hours after emerging. We cling onto them, we debate them, we re-evaluate, we flame.
So for you
lucky soulswho missed the dramafun, here’s what I think has been largely agreed on by the intelligent universe.
- Cultural Appropriation is bad.
- If it’s a dead religion (i.e. all of it’s culturally appropriate practitioners and ancestors are long dead or dispersed) like the worship of Egyption gods, you probably can involve yourself in it if done so respectfully.
- If a God comes to you things are about to get weird and it sorta over rides all cultural boundaries. Deal with it. Or tell them to fuck off, I guess, if you like.
- Patrons are not required.
- You can tell deity no. It just may have consequences.
- I am a flakey blogger when distracted or stressed out.
- Wicca is an initiation based, closed religion.
- No you cannot initiate yourself into a closed religion.
- No we do not all follow the Wiccan rede.
- Yes a lot of witches are, in fact, sort of bitches. It’s how we roll.
- Do you research or people will call you on it.
- UPG should always be labled as such.
- Speaking of UPG, you should really learn the lingo.
- Yes worshiping gods who are traditionally cast as villians is legitimate.
- There’s nothing wrong with satanists.
- Yes there are Luciferian pagans.
- Yes there are Christian witches.
- Yes sometimes pantheons interact and mix.
- Yes gods can do appalling things, yes they can be despicable.
- It’s not good to launch wars within the community against followers of a specific deity.
- Your UPG will not be everyone elses UPG all the time.
- Gods aren’t fair and they aren’t always nice.
- Being god claimed has its draw backs.
- Magic is not all melodrama and explosions and instant fixes.
- It would be really really cool if it was.
- Listen to folks advice when they legitimately know more than you.
- Know when they’re probably still full of shit.
- Witchcraft = a practice. Paganism= an overarching blanket term for religion.
- Herbs can be dangerous, yo.
- There’s no “right” way to do everything.
- Not everything is moon based, or goddess based, or even god/goddess based.
- Tumblr drama gets a bit over the top.
- I still love you guys.
*sparkly eyes* this post. I like it.
atheists, especially white atheists, like to worship science as (1) infallible, and (2) mutually exclusive with religion
they forget that (1) western science is rooted in oppression and is not impartial or infallible, (2) there are scientists of faith, (3) believing in religion or a religious explanation of something does NOT render someone “stupid” (which is in itself a false and ableist notion to even begin with), and likewise believing in a scientific explanation does not immediately render someone “smart” (which is also a questionable trait), and (4) some religions like islam have histories of science and math! shock! surprise!
it’s truly no surprise to me that many white atheists that I’ve come across have backgrounds involving suffocating white christian upbringings, and all they’ve really done is shifted a few things around while keeping the core and frame the same
It really says everything to me when an Atheist rolls all religions together - to compare say, a NDN group doing a ceremony a few times a year with the colonizer religion and to also be silent on the role Eugenics has played.
You don’t see these atheists losing their shit when a symphony dedicated to God is played, but “Don’t let those people over there do their thing, and I can’t be bothered to look at the large organizations actually engaged in legislative action which will actually affect me, unlike this thing I’m going to flip my shit about…”
You know what’s just as annoying as atheists lumping all theists together? Theists making sweeping generalizing statements of all atheists!
Personally, I don’t think science is infallible! This is because I’ve studied history and I know about a) the theory of spontaneous generation, and b) pholigiston. I also don’t think it’s mutually exclusive with religion, see above re: history; when we study the great thinkers of record in the middles ages, we’re studying deeply religious people. And I don’t think religious belief is inherently stupid, dude, there’s no way I could think that, I know why too many absolutely brilliant people who are also devoutly faithful!
Atheist is not synonymous with asshole, or, for that matter, with “Richard Dawkins”. A small group of assholes do not speak for the rest of us, any more than the Westboro Baptist Church or the Taliban or the Orot Girls’ School protesters speak for all theists. Seriously. This is like the fifth thing I’ve seen on this general theme come across my dash in the last week, and it’s ridiculous.
In case you’re curious, Neil Tyson doesn’t have any patience for fools when it comes to 2012 Maya apocalypse mumbo-jumbo.
Drop da mic, NdT…
Also, congrats to the Tumblr community for being a place for “impassioned discussion on all topics”!!!
That awkward moment when the usually awesome Neil deGrasse Tyson fails to grasp that there are not merely “a few Maya fans out there,” but real actual living Maya who aren’t thrilled with his disrespecting their culture, especially since they didn’t predict the world’s ending in 2012 in the first place — and neither did the Aztec, whose calendar is often misattributed to the Maya.
That awkward moment when jtotheizzoe follows in Dr. Tyson’s footsteps in fucking up instead of, oh I don’t know, pointing out the facts that refute the good Doctor’s hypothesis.
You know, science?
Isn’t there supposed to be some science going on this blog?
That awkward and not that unusual moment when scientists don’t know shit about per-columbine cultures and when they are totally ignorant about the actual use of the calendar.
Neil, you quoted yourself saying shitty stuff about the Maya, and then proceed to claim you said nothing of the sort?
I don’t see how you can miss the fail there, sir. If your targets were those misappropriating the Maya calendar, mistranslating it, mis- pretty much everything about it, then you could have easily said so. Instead, what you did say was that you could not take “science cues” from a “culture that could not predict its own demise” (untrue, the culture is still there, the people are still there), from a people who did not discover the wheel (someone else pointed out the lack of large beasts of burden to make that invention necessary or worthwhile), or from a culture that practiced religious animal sacrifice. The last one is one I really, really, take issue with, Neil.
I said it the last time I reblogged screenshots of your tweets. Science and religion have shit all to do with each other. Science cannot measure religion, and if you cannot measure something in science you just move the fuck on. The sacrifice of animals to gods is not reprehensible, and in fact has been protected as a right by the US Supreme Court in The Church of Lukumi Babalu Aye vs The City of Hialeah. So Neil, please tell me why that is important to your argument at all? Why are you conflating a cultural and religious practice with a scientific practice? Why do you still disparage a culture that is respected in your field for having a fantastic amount of knowledge of astronomy without having the instruments we use today?
But then, knowing that you previously held disdain for Chinese astronomy history makes this turn of events unsurprising. Further disappointing, but unsurprising.
my facebook news feed during december more like “middle aged white women bitching about how it’s ‘merry christmas’ and NOT ‘happy holidays’”
i made my status “i’m deliberately going to say “happy holidays” instead of “merry christmas” to every single person this year just to watch people get all upset and indignant” and i’ve already had 3 middle aged white women yell at me
My mom has a pin that she wears in December that says something like “It’s okay! You can wish me a Merry Christmas!”
Which I really hate because it implies that everyone really wants to say Merry Christmas but is too scared of offending someone. No, actually most people want to be inclusive, aren’t scared of being fired for saying anything other than “Happy Holidays”, and may not actually celebrate Christmas.
Attention, Christians: you are not an oppressed minority that has to keep your beliefs secret in order to avoid persecution. Not in North America, anyway. Stop pretending you are. It’s really annoying and kind of pretentious.
but yeah man atheists are the most hated minority
(this is from the fbi’s 2010 hate crime stats)